Join the Penners as Julia opens up about what led to her fathers death in 2019. Addiciton is messy, hard, chaotic, uncertain and this case, led to brokeness that cannot be fixed on this earth. If you are triggered by sudden death, alcoholism or addiction in general, we suggest you take a moment to discern if this is an episode you should be listening to right now.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

* Imagine Heaven by John Burke
* Hope for an unwanted Journey by Bill and Donna Lea Dyck
* Good boundaries and Goodbyes by Lisa Terkeurst

When we first met in 2009, we had no idea where life would take us, and we certainly had no idea that we would end up married and in ministry together, but here we are... and we are so thankful! On today's episode, we take you from our meeting at a bible camp to Julia singing at Derek's first wedding, all the way up through divorce and into married life, and how we knew that this was what God had in store for our lives.

What are a few of our favorite worship songs right now? Was Derek shocked when Julia sent him her ring size after 15 days of dating? What 4 questions should you ask yourself before diving into marriage? Find these answers and more on today's episode of "Coffee With The Penners."

Divorce is a tough subject that a lot of Christians today disagree on. So, what does the bible say about it? What are God's thoughts around it? Can you leave, biblically speaking, if there is abuse? Do we all agree that infidelity is a reason to leave?

Join your hosts Derek and Julia as they open up about their previous marriages, dig into scripture, and talk about what it felt like when their lives fell apart.

** If you'd like to hear more of Julia's story of abuse in her first marriage, join hosts Erika.aanne and cj.godfreyy (both found on instagram) on the H.E.R podcast (@its.her.podcast) episode 43.


Resources named in this Episode:

"Forgiving What You Can't Forget" by Lisa Terkeurst
"The Great Sex Rescue" by Sheila Gregoire
"9 Lies That Will Destroy Your Marriage (and the Truths That Will Set You Free)" by Greg Smalley

Find us online:

On our website at www.thepennersworship.com

On instagram at www.instagram.com/the.penners

Join the Penners as they discuss times in their lives that they learned the hard way how to forgive. Through abuse, divorce, addiction and more, the Penners share openly about their lived experiences in this area. Is forgiveness a feeling, or a choice made? What does the bible say about it all? What if we aren't 'ready' to forgive someone who's hurt us or those we love? Tune in to today's converstaion for this and more.

Resources on Forgiveness:

• "The Shack" by William Paul Young
• "Indigenous Healing Circles, Forgiveness & Reconciliation Unpacked" with Brad Jersak (on the Still Growing in Grace podcast)
• "Forgiving What You Can't Forget" by Lysa TerKeurst
• "Forgive: Why Should I and How Can I?" by Timothy Keller

As the Penners begin their journey into 50/50 custody, they open about about all the emotions that come along with this massive shift in their lives, what scipture passages they are hanging onto, and what they are hoping for the future. From what 50/50 will look like to hearing directly from the Lord on how to handle it, join the Penners as they talk about making room for Jesus in this difficult season of life.

Hear the heartbeat of the podcast in this short trailer for "Coffee With The Penners". We want to open the room for tough and meaningful conversations, while working out what it means to love Jesus through it all.