In this episode, we talk to Patrick about:

• The moment traveling in China that shifted his mindset and legal path; the moment that gave rise to the “barefoot lawyer”
• The harm caused by the Growth Mindset: the pursuit of unlimited growth and its negative impact on everything
• Alternatives to the Growth Mindset
• The importance of taking time to stop and askng “is this what I really want?” -at individual and systems level
• A hybrid between for-profit and non-profit organizational structures
• The power of your mindset
• Importance of finding your tribe
• The “Both -And” mindset
• An “eye for an eye” belief and actions just creates a world full of blind people
• Israel and Gaza
• His new life direction of surrendering into the mystery of silence and guided meditation and how this has shown him that the more you change yourself, the more your outer world changes
• What it meant for him to step out and declare himself as the barefoot lawyer
• What integrative law and being an integrative lawyer mean to him

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/

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⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐⭐𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

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Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

An audio only recording of this podcast episode is available at https://integrative-lawyers-of-the-world.simplecast.com/episodes

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Professor Camilla Andersen is a lawyer and academic. She’s been an academic for over thirty years on 4 different continents. She has a lot of experience in international commercial law, but she has devoted the last decade of her life to change and innovation, and to relational contract theory. She is changing the face of contract law and humanizing law.

In this conversation we discussed:

• Humanizing law
• Communication training for lawyers
• Co-creating with clients and other professionals --- remembering that lawyers do not know everything
• How legalese can render a contract unenforceable
• Ways to make contracts more understandable
• Comic Book Contracts and her comic book contract project
• Examples of comic book contracts
• The many benefits of visual contracts
• Word of Caution against creating standardized images and icons for visual contracts
• Relational contract theory, perspective, and practice
• Her work with Mission Australia for which comic book contract was created for kids who are sent to therapy
• What being an integrative lawyer means to her: thinking outside the box, listening to clients, accepting that lawyers do not know everything and co-creating with others.

Learn more about Professor Camilla Andersen and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World:

https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement

Links to some of the projects discussed in our conversation:

• https://www.comicbookcontracts.com/our-journey
  https://lawyersasdesigners.com/
  https://www.alternativecontracting.biz/

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems:

https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement

(supporters in the USA are able to make tax deductible donations thanks to our fiscal sponsor The Renaissance Lawyer Society https://renaissancelawyer.org/ )

If you appreciate the work of these legal changemakers and want to help us continue to share more stories, please

👍🏽👍🏿👍 👍🏾👍🏼𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞,

𝐬𝐮𝐛𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐞, and

⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐⭐𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

YouTube, Google, Spotify, iTunes, and your favorite podcast platforms. Links to these sites and our social media pages can be found at: https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement/

Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

A video recording of this podcast episode is available on YouTube here:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7R-_wylJ2YQ-uLUPzRJ61bXgRxvGLulY

A video version of this episode is available on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7R-_wylJ2YQ-uLUPzRJ61bXgRxvGLulY

In this episode, we talk to Ms. Chetty about her journey as a 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐫 and her pursuit of 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞. In our conversation, we discuss:

• Social Justice – what it means, how to get it, and the difference between equality on paper or on the books and equality in application and life.

• The difference between equity and inclusion

• Using the law as an agent of change and how she brings empathy - what a traditional law professor referred to as “that hippie business” –into her law school lectures and courses

• Technology and AI in the legal profession: facing concerns and fears over AI but not wanting to get left behind

• Decolonization in legal education

• How integrative law at its core is language of love and a language of healing

• How law can be agent of change and her advice to lawyers who want to be changemakers with a positive impact

• What Integrative Law and being an integrative lawyer mean to her

To contact Neetu Chetty, email her here: neetuchetty@gmail.com

Learn more about the Integrative Law Movement, Neetu Chetty, and our other featured Integrative Lawyers of the World at www.integrativelaw.com

To support the Integrative Law Movement and effect positive change in our legal systems go to https://www.integrativelaw.com/financial-support-for-the-movement/

(Supporters in the USA are able to make tax deductible donations thanks to our fiscal sponsor The Renaissance Lawyer Society https://renaissancelawyer.org/ )

If you appreciate the work of these legal changemakers and want to help us continue to share more stories, please

👍🏽 👍🏿 👍 👍🏾👍🏼 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞,

𝐬𝐮𝐛𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐞, and

⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ 𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐮𝐬 𝟓 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐬 on

YouTube, Google, Spotify, iTunes, and your favorite podcast platforms.

Links to these sites and our social media pages can be found at: https://www.integrativelaw.com/celebrating-and-showcasing-the-global-integrative-law-movement/

Music for this podcast was created by Toby Leach. He may be contacted at: tobby.leach@gmail.com

A video version of this episode is available on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7R-_wylJ2YQ-uLUPzRJ61bXgRxvGLulY