In a feedback-fuelled episode, we chat about heresy, gratitude, and the circuit board of love. Is heresy just speculation that is not the official speculation? Do we have to score 100% on our exams to get into heaven? Also, we think about whether sin is better viewed as separation and Nick gets rather agitated about how we read the Bible. Again.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Spotted Flycatcher
• Eurovision Song Contest
• Pilgrimage
• Positive News
• The Good News Hub
• Do You Have a Stepford God?
• The Stepford Wives
• Sara Pascoe reads a hilarious letter asking for clarity on God's Law

Brian McLaren talks about his new book, 'Life After Doom: Wisdom and Courage for a World Falling Apart'. He and Joe discuss how denial is exhausting, why our enemies are not people, but systems and how we all need to exercise our power to show up. 'Once you discover the God of love you fire all your other gods'. Also, remember, humans are a mess, but the birds are awesome.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Nick Page: How to be wise: Confessions of a recovering idiot
• Clangers
• Clangers on QI
• Brian McLaren
• Centre for Action and Contemplation
• Life After Doom: Wisdom and Courage for a World Falling Apart

This week we discuss the relationship between human skills and endeavour and the work of God. Or as Nick put it, 'Why does God get all the praise when I did all the work?' Does the fact that we live in a God-filled universe mean that the Divine should get all the credit? Or, by dismissing humanity's input are we actually devaluing the fact we are made in the image of God? And if that sounds too deep, there's a lot of custard.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Custard
• Freud's Last Session
• C. S. Lewis on praise