In this episode, Kathy and Liz Ann open by discussing the implications of the recent rate cut by the Federal Reserve, focusing on the labor market and upcoming economic indicators. They explore how the rate cut may affect various economic sectors, including borrowing rates and consumer spending. They also highlight the importance of under-the-surface labor market data in predicting future Fed actions.

Liz Ann Sonders, Schwab's Chief Investment Strategist, interviews Doug Ramsey, Chief Investment Officer of the Leuthold Group. They discuss the implications of the Federal Reserve's easing cycle on the economy, focusing on labor market dynamics, employment indicators, and the current state of the equity market. They analyze the recent bull market, its origins, and the potential for emerging leadership in various sectors, while also addressing the significance of the yield curve and market valuations.

Finally, Kathy and Liz Ann offer their outlook for next week's economic data and indicators.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

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With the Federal Reserve cutting rates by 50 basis points at its September meeting, what are the implications for the bond market and the economy? In this episode, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders analyze the market's reaction to the rate cut, the balance between panic and greed in investment strategies, and the upcoming economic indicators that could influence market movements. Their discussion highlights the importance of understanding labor market trends and consumer sentiment in the context of inflation and economic policy.

This week, Kathy sits down with Claudia Sahm, a former economist for the Federal Reserve and the White House Council of Economic Advisors. Perhaps best known for the recession indicator that bears her name, Claudia Sahm is now the chief economist for New Century Advisors.

Kathy and Claudia discuss the labor market, highlighting its resilience and the need for a sustainable expansion. The discussion moves on to inflation, with Claudia explaining that recent inflation has been driven by supply-side shocks rather than demand. She expresses confidence in the Fed's ability to reach its 2% inflation target. The conversation also touches on the debate within the Fed and the potential impact of the Fed's communication on financial markets. Finally, Kathy and Liz Ann offer their outlook for next week's economic indicators and data.

You can follow Claudia Sahm's newsletter, Stay-at-Home Macro, at https://stayathomemacro.substack.com/.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

Important Disclosures

The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The investment strategies mentioned here may not be suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decision.

All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market conditions. Data contained herein from third-party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness, or reliability cannot be guaranteed.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

The comments, views, and opinions expressed in the presentation are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the views of Charles Schwab.

All names and market data shown above are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security. Supporting documentation for any claims or statistical information is available upon request.

Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

Indexes are unmanaged, do not incur management fees, costs and expenses, and cannot be invested in directly.

For more information on indexes, please see schwab.com/indexdefinitions.

Fixed income securities are subject to increased loss of principal during periods of rising interest rates.

Fixed income investments are subject to various other risks including changes in credit quality, market valuations, liquidity, prepayments, early redemption, corporate events, tax ramifications, and other factors.

Small cap investments are subject to greater volatility than those in other asset categories.

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Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.

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Why are payroll numbers reported as "nonfarm" jobs? What other jobs are excluded from the unemployment rate? Why is "hours worked" an important recession indicator? For this shorter week, Liz Ann and Kathy discuss various aspects of the labor market and its indicators.

They touch on the monthly jobs report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the overall unemployment rate, initial jobless claims, and other key metrics. They also discuss the uniqueness of the current labor market cycle and the challenges in analyzing it. The conversation then shifts to the Federal Reserve's focus on employment and inflation and the potential impact of the upcoming jobs report on Fed policy.

Finally, Kathy and Liz Ann provide their outlook for the next week's economic data and market events.

You can read more about the history of the Department of Labor in this article on their website and explore the data published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

Important Disclosures

The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The investment strategies mentioned here may not be suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decision.

All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market conditions. Data contained herein from third-party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness, or reliability cannot be guaranteed.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

All names and market data shown above are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security. Supporting documentation for any claims or statistical information is available upon request.

Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

​Commodity-related products carry a high level of risk and are not suitable for all investors. Commodity-related products may be extremely volatile, may be illiquid, and can be significantly affected by underlying commodity prices, world events, import controls, worldwide competition, government regulations, and economic conditions.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

The policy analysis provided by the Charles Schwab & Co., Inc., does not constitute and should not be interpreted as an endorsement of any political party.

Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.
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In this conversation, Kathy and Liz Ann discuss quotes and sayings from industry legends that have resonated with them over the years. You can read Liz Ann's article about her reminiscences in the industry and watch the clip of Marty Zweig calling the crash of ’87 on YouTube.

Kathy and Liz Ann also talk about the Federal Reserve's annual conference at Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and why the economic symposium takes place there. Then, they dig into the Bureau of Labor Statistics' benchmark revisions to the annual payroll data and the market's reaction to the revised numbers. They agree that it's unlikely the Fed will cut 50 basis points in September.

Finally, Kathy and Liz Ann provide their outlook for the next week's economic data and market events.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

Important Disclosures

The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The investment strategies mentioned here may not be suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decision.

All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market conditions. Data contained herein from third-party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness, or reliability cannot be guaranteed.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

The information and content provided herein is general in nature and is for informational purposes only. It is not intended, and should not be construed, as a specific recommendation, individualized tax, legal, or investment advice. Tax laws are subject to change, either prospectively or retroactively. Where specific advice is necessary or appropriate, individuals should contact their own professional tax and investment advisors or other professionals (CPA, Financial Planner, Investment Manager) to help answer questions about specific situations or needs prior to taking any action based upon this information.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

Futures, and Futures options trading involves substantial risk and is not suitable for all investors. Please read the Risk Disclosure Statement for Futures and Options prior to trading futures products.

All names and market data shown above are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security. Supporting documentation for any claims or statistical information is available upon request.

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Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.

The books Reminiscences of a Stock Operator, Market Wizards, Random Walk Down Wall Street, The Money Game, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of Crowds, and Against the Gods are not affiliated with, sponsored by, or endorsed by Charles Schwab & Co., Inc. (CS&Co.). Schwab has not reviewed the books and makes no representations about their content.

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Kathy and Liz Ann discuss recent events in the market, including fluctuations in the equity market, a global tech outage, and the potential for rate cuts by the Fed. They also provide insights for investors, such as focusing on higher-quality small-cap stocks and the importance of rebalancing.

Liz Ann interviews Ed Hyman, chairman of Evercore ISI and vice chairman of Evercore overall. They discuss the current economic cycle and its unique characteristics. Ed and Liz Ann touch on topics such as the impact of the pandemic, inflation, the Federal Reserve's tightening policy, and the health of the consumer. They also explore the state of the stock market, the concentration of mega-cap stocks, and the potential for a market rotation. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the future of the U.S. economy and reasons for optimism.

Finally, Kathy and Liz Ann provide their outlook for the next week's economic data and the need for the Fed to closely monitor the job market.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

Important Disclosures

The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The investment strategies mentioned here may not be suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decision.

All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market conditions. Data contained herein from third-party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness, or reliability cannot be guaranteed.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

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Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

Diversification and asset allocation strategies do not ensure a profit and cannot protect against losses in a declining market.

International investments involve additional risks, which include differences in financial accounting standards, currency fluctuations, geopolitical risk, foreign taxes and regulations, and the potential for illiquid markets. Investing in emerging markets may accentuate these risks.

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The comments, views, and opinions expressed in the presentation are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the views of Charles Schwab.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

Indexes are unmanaged, do not incur management fees, costs, and expenses and cannot be invested in directly. For more information on indexes, please see schwab.com/indexdefinitions.

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