Two Echidnae Wound Care Podcast with Monika and Donna

By: Two Echidnae Wound Care Podcast
  • Summary

  • Are you a clinician interested in wound care? Maybe you're just starting or know a little about hard to heal wounds? Or are you more seasoned in your career? Perhaps you work in the community, aged care, a hospital or a subacute setting. Join Monika and Donna, two advanced practice nurses and lymphoedema practitioners, with decades of experience in hard to heal wounds. We are so excited to be sharing with other clinicians (not just nurses), our experience and frustrations inherent in the discipline of wounds. Humour is essential. We will be burrowing down into some prickly conversations, digging up myths and chewing over real-world evidence. Connect with us at: - twoechidnae@gmail.com - TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twoechidnae Connect with Donna's resources and sign up for the Woundy Wisdom's newsletter at: - https://goodwoundcare.carrd.co/ Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podc ast are our own. This podcast is intended specifically for healthcare professionals. Always follow your organisation's policies and procedures. Please consult your own healthcare provider for individual wound advice.
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Episodes
  • Ep5 - Let's start measuring up compression
    Jan 19 2025

    Compression, the topic everyone has experience with, an opinion on, and something to learn - including us. This will be the first episode of many on compression because there is so much to unwrap. We would love to hear your feedback on this one as we touch on so many points.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Introduction

    01:00 How lymphoedema training has informed our practice as wound consultants

    02:11 Looking wholistically at hard-to-heal wounds through a lymphoedema lens

    02:33 Clearing oedema in proximal body parts first before moving oedema in the legs

    03:10 Assessing oedema

    03:32 The problem of less research and experience in non-cancer related chronic oedema than cancer-related

    04:14 Location and distribution of fibrotic tissue composition

    05:05 Lymphoedema wound nurses the outliers

    06:42 Where are the compression companies at wound management events?

    07:55 Wound clinicians without lymphoedema training do not understand compression prescription in chronic oedema

    08:09 Prioritising lymphatic function and compression over wound hygiene, including debridement

    10:12 Reluctance of some allied health professionals to apply lower limb compression in the presence of wounding

    11:22 Practice gaps in wounds and compression prescription

    12:54 Motivation to understand more about lymphoedema

    13.51 Myth of venous oedema being different to lymphoedema

    14:00 More on reluctance to treat chronic oedema when wounds present

    14:48 Lymphoedema escalation pathway

    15:11 Becoming a lymphoedema mentor

    15:43 Self-care in lymphoedema

    16:18 The gaps in staging lymphoedema

    16:40 Inadequate compression prescription, application and troubleshooting leading to bad patient experiences and money down the drain

    17:36 What do we mean by the term “tolerating” compression?

    21:34 Using the term” they don’t tolerate” compression when it is the healthcare system that is intolerable

    22:09 The S.T.R.I.D.E. document to guide compression selection

    23:11 Practical considerations when using S.T.R.I.D.E. principles

    25:36 Round versus flat knit garments

    27:31Wound lymphoedema clinicians have two computers of formulary open simultaneously

    28:52 More on round versus flat knit

    30:47 Muffin-topping a red flag that compression needs to be applied into the thigh or higher

    32:19 The Australasian Lymphology Association resources and courses

    32:56 When nurses speak the same language around wounds and chronic oedema

    34:38 Prioritise leg hygiene, understanding chronic oedema before debridement and dressings

    36:38 The influence of industry on the science, education and clinical practice of wound management

    Resources mentioned:

    • STRIDE document https://lymphoedemaeducation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/S.T.R.I.D.E.-Professional-Guide-to-Compression-Garment-Selection-for-the-Lower-Extremity.pdf (if you’re curious what STRIDE stands for, it’s Shape, Textile Type, Refill, Issues, Dosage, aEtiology)
    • Australasian Lymphology Association https://www.lymphoedema.org.au/

    If you enjoyed this episode please like, subscribe, leave a comment or share with your colleagues.

    Connect with us at:

    Email twoechidnae@gmail.com

    TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@twoechidnae

    Connect with Donna's resources and sign up for the Woundy Wisdom's newsletter at https://goodwoundcare.carrd.co/

    Disclaimer:

    The views expressed in this podcast are our own. This podcast is intended specifically for healthcare professionals. Always follow your

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    40 mins
  • Ep4 - Monika and Donna's path to Wound Consultancy
    Dec 30 2024

    Join Mon and Don as we burrow into our journey's to wound consultancy. We hope you learn a little more about what has shaped us as individual wound clinicians, as we share some of our defining professional experiences as nurses.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Get to know us

    00:56 Mon’s journey

    02:38 High value education and training

    02:38 Benefits of lymphoedema education and training in wound management

    03:09 How the podcast started

    03:59 Alternative pathways to wound consultancy

    07:20 The complexities of wound management across the sectors

    09:52 Don’s journey

    10:33 The fundamentals of wound care

    10:45 Advanced practice in the community setting, going back to basics and helicoptering

    12:25 High value, low-cost benefits of washing legs

    14:36 Takes time to save time

    15:25 Advantages and opportunities in community nursing and wound management

    17:01 The value of the helicopter view in wound consultancy

    17:22 Workplace culture as a barrier to best practice wound care

    18:30 More benefits of lymphoedema education and training in wound management

    19:19 Trauma-informed and weight-neutral care

    19:58 Can’t get to the wound unless you go through the head

    20:24 Wound management is not about the dressing and it’s not even about wound care

    20:59 I should be a psych nurse with skills in chronic disease

    23:00 Changing the language of wound consultancy

    24:08 Recommended PhD topics for hard-to-heal wounds

    25:19 The trauma stories of wounding

    25:29 Misunderstanding the term non-concordant

    26:23 Wound care is not always about looking at the wound

    If you enjoyed this episode please like, subscribe, leave a comment or share with your colleagues.

    Connect with us at:

    Email twoechidnae@gmail.com

    TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@twoechidnae

    Connect with Donna's resources and sign up for the Woundy Wisdom's newsletter at https://goodwoundcare.carrd.co/

    Disclaimer:

    The views expressed in this podcast are our own. This podcast is intended specifically for healthcare professionals. Always follow your organisation's policies and procedures. Please consult your own healthcare provider for individual wound advice.

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    31 mins
  • Ep3 - Wound aetiologies, teaser topics and more
    Nov 15 2024

    We celebrate reaching 3 episodes with a lot more prickly topics affecting anyone attending woundcare. Join Mon and Don as we burrow into the issues inherent in reaching a wound aetiology - or is that a mechanism of injury? How confident are we? What are the barriers and pitfalls and are we setting unrealistic expectations for the everyday clinician in documentation that informs the care planning?

    Timestamps:

    00:00 Celebrating making the third pancake

    04:31 Not as simple as just telling someone what to put on the wound

    10:53 Wound aetiologies and broader issues

    12:03 Siloing aetiology and treatment

    13:09 Unrealistic expectations of general and wound care clinicians to determine aetiology

    17:49 Mechanism of injury vs aetiology, do humans fit into a box?

    18:56 When wound charts don't support complexity

    20:13 What is a hard to heal wound

    20:48 Limitations of wound documentation systems including EMR

    25:45 Wound education is not a panacea

    27:43 Health economics and healthcare systems affecting wound outcomes

    33:00 Raising awareness and future episode topics

    If you enjoyed this episode please like, subscribe, leave a comment or share with your colleagues.

    Connect with us at:

    Email twoechidnae@gmail.com

    TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@twoechidnae

    Connect with Donna's resources and sign up for the Woundy Wisdom's newsletter at https://goodwoundcare.carrd.co/

    Disclaimer:

    The views expressed in this podcast are our own. This podcast is intended specifically for healthcare professionals. Always follow your organisation's policies and procedures. Please consult your own healthcare provider for individual wound advice.

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    31 mins

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