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Down Girl

The Logic of Misogyny

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By: Kate Manne
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Misogyny is a hot topic, yet it's often misunderstood. What is misogyny, exactly? Who deserves to be called a misogynist? How does misogyny contrast with sexism, and why is it prone to persist - or increase - even when sexist gender roles are waning? This book is an exploration of misogyny in public life and politics by the moral philosopher and writer Kate Manne. It argues that misogyny should not be understood primarily in terms of the hatred or hostility some men feel toward all or most women. Rather, it's primarily about controlling, policing, punishing, and exiling the "bad" women who challenge male dominance. And it's compatible with rewarding "the good ones," and singling out other women to serve as warnings to those who are out of order. It's also common for women to serve as scapegoats, be burned as witches, and treated as pariahs.

Manne examines recent and current events such as the Isla Vista killings by Elliot Rodger, the case of the convicted serial rapist Daniel Holtzclaw, who preyed on African-American women as a police officer in Oklahoma City, Rush Limbaugh's diatribe against Sandra Fluke, and the "misogyny speech" of Julia Gillard, then Prime Minister of Australia, which went viral on YouTube. The book shows how these events, among others, set the stage for the 2016 US presidential election. Not only was the misogyny leveled against Hillary Clinton predictable in both quantity and quality, Manne argues it was predictable that many people would be prepared to forgive and forget regarding Donald Trump's history of sexual assault and harassment. For this, Manne argues, is misogyny's oft-overlooked and equally pernicious underbelly: exonerating or showing "himpathy" for the comparatively privileged men who dominate, threaten, and silence women.

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Powerful! This book should be read by all! It’s enlightening to be given an alternative definition and understanding of misogyny as it plays out today.

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Useful to clera up some miscoceptions

It was not the easiest read, especially at the beginning. The points become clearer later in the book, and I am glad to have kept reading. Illuminating and helpful.

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Great read and a new perspective

As a philosophy student, I've encountered a lot of different angles on feminism and argued through many issues. This was a genuinely new perspective and I found it very thought provoking on issues of misogeny. I'll be chewing over this book for a long time and may have to buy a text copy for quick references because it's so useful. The only downer was the frequent mispronunciations by the narrator who did the author some disservices by mispronouncing or misreading some key terms, sometimes making nonsense of carefully argued sentences. That's audio for you, I suppose.

I finished this recently, but as a genuine philospohical exercise, it's a dense read. I need to go through it again at least once. The notion of women as givers has face validity in that it explains why so much is expected of women and girls while their own needs for interpersonal validation and nurture are not easily met. I was reading work by bell hooks (she doesn't use upper case: her choice) on men and love at the same time. She argues that boys are forced to 'man up' by suppressing their emotionally softer sides and that they suffer in consequence. It's an interesting contrast in some ways, but at the core for me is that no one half of the human race should be oppressed or damaged fot the good of others. I could go on, but the ideas need to mull a bit!

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Academic text

I liked the book. There's much to think about here, and some uncomfortable truths to face.
Many more should read it. However, I think the way it's written is a bit excluding. This is written as an academic text, with vocabulary and semantics, and build up to fit. I don't think I've ever heard the word "hence" used so often. And Latin frases like "qui bono" and "post hoc" is widely used which can be daunting for many. It expects the reader to have much knowledge of the theme, and other works about it. So just be aware that this can be a heavy read if you're not used to academic texts.
At times it felt like too much time was spent on caveats. It got a bit tiresome to hear that she doesn't mean to exclude LGBTQ, black, disabled etc. I mean, it's good that caveats are made, but page upon page upon page makes it feel... inefficient.

At some points, she seems to take men's words at the worst meaning, but find apologies for women's. Not often, as most of it is justified and clearly right (there is no excuse for "grab 'em by the pussy"), but when compared to how she talks about M, who has some clearly racist views, it makes me wrinkle my brow a bit.

Anyway, as I said, I did like it. And I do recommend it. Other reviews has talked about all that's good about it, so I just wanted to talk about some things which can be problematic.

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We get it, you’re not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings

Liberal feminists spend so much time assuring everyone they’re intersectional that it takes away from any discussion happening. As a radical feminist, I’m in no way confused why every single woman in the world would be included in feminism - I am, however, confused why trans women, rather than trans men, are included in a book about the way misogyny affects women, given that misogyny is based on sex. Men do not hate trans women because they are, in reality, women. They hate them because they hate everything that isn’t proud of being male. Conflating these issues does neither justice.

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Fantastic 👍🏽

People tell you 'Women have equal rights'
So why does life as a girl or woman feel so unequal and unfair? ... and why do I in fact feel so guilty sometimes in saying so? This book brilliantly explains both ..
It did have me running to the dictionary a number many times, (the writer Kate has an astounding vocabulary) But I just stuck with it as the insight, facts and explanations are mind blowing. You go girl, you are a genius at making complete and utter sence of this world for Women 😀

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I need to read this again

This book is incredible in its insight. However, it was very academic and philosophical. I need to reread at some point

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The best book I read in all year

An essential reading to every girl, woman, boy and man out there. This should be taught in schools. Gives answers to so many unnerving questions about the state of the world these days. Absolutely loved it!

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Essential reading

This is a enlightening book and it's content if it were known and understood by a greater number of people would do much to make the world a better place for everyone, especially women. It's not got 5 stars because the language can be quite academic and hard to understand and therefor not as suitable for audio.

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academic but powerful

not a light read but a thorough examination of a complex topic that I found extremely illuminating.

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