Wherein Matt and Kevin discuss Kevin's book release, coming in less than a week, and the historic faith practices that gave rise to the need for new ways of thinking about church ministry and spiritual formation.

Including: a conversation about the winding path of Owen Strachan and the controversy over a "Historic Orthodox Christian Perspective."

Wherein Matt and Kevin discuss the somewhat surprising reactions to Juneteenth from within White Evangelicalism and the broader issue of oppression and marginalization.

Including: a conversation about two new stories out of Dallas. One involves pastoral abuse of a minor, and the other involves financial abuse of church funds (at one of Kevin's former employers).

Wherein Matt and Kevin discuss the intersection of preaching and politics. Where did Jesus stand on using the pulpit for political agendas?

Including: a conversation about Pride month, what Kevin and Matt are currently reading, and urine intake.

Wherein Matt and Kevin discuss fitness and faith. The only real question is, why did it take 39 episodes before they first talked about the intersection of their two great loves!

Including: a conversation about the SBC, Al Mohler, and the capitulation of the Christian GOP.

Wherein Matt and Kevin discuss the ancient methods of finding yourself, like the Saints, Spiritual Direction and the enneagram, and the Examen Prayer.

Including: a conversation about Brian Sauvé and the rise of Christian Nationalism

Wherein Matt and Kevin discuss the topic of inerrancy and the way the biblical texts were originally read.

Including: a conversation about the Pope, Original Sin, and NFL Chiefs Kicker Harrison Butker.

Wherein Matt and Kevin discuss the spiritual formation practices of the Early Church the focus on Jesus, the foundation of Kevin's forthcoming book.

Including: a conversation about John-Paul and Mica Miller, and the problematic state of the pastorate in many high-control churches.

Wherein Matt and Kevin discuss the spiritual formation practices of the Early Church, the foundation of Kevin's forthcoming book.

Including: a conversation about Josh Howerton and other news around Evangelicalism.