What can a family argument teach you about leadership? In this episode, we’ll uncover surprising lessons from a simple disagreement that will transform how you handle challenges. Discover how empathy, humility, and clear communication can elevate your leadership and strengthen your connections. Tune in and start applying these powerful insights today!

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE

• How to apply humility and empathy when managing passenger delays and frustrations

• The importance of communication and being present in both professional and personal situations

• How to build trust and connection with passengers or loved ones through authentic apologies

• Insights on emotional responsibility, whether in aviation or family life

• The power of leadership through emotional awareness and humility

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Ever wondered what it’s like to go from piloting Predator drones in the Air Force to flying cargo under the stars? Jonathan Songer shares an epic journey of resilience, high-stakes decisions, and surprising lessons learned from life in the sky. From unconventional career moves to his unique take on mentorship, this conversation will change how you view the aviation world. Tune in and get ready to see flying from a whole new perspective!

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE

• Strategies for navigating challenging work schedules as a pilot

• Life adjustments to make your dream of flying a reality

• Unique challenges of flying in non-radar airspace and the adrenaline rush of low-level cargo runs

• What it’s like to fly just above the ground with complex maneuvers in tight airspaces

• How Jonathan transitioned from Air Force drones to a 737 cockpit

RESOURCES/LINKS MENTIONED

• The Citadel

• JetBlue

• OBAP Ace Academy

• Delta Professional

• SkyWest Airlines

• Envoy Air

ABOUT JONATHAN SONGER

Jonathan is a Boeing 737 First Officer with Kalitta Charters II, a Part 121 Supplemental Airline Carrier. With over 1,600 hours in crewed aircraft and 4,000 hours in remotely piloted aircraft, Jonathan is an expert in flight safety, aviation decision-making, and crew resource management. He previously served as a subject matter expert in unmanned systems and as the Senior Manager for Advanced Air Mobility with MassDOT Aeronautics and MassAutonomy.

Jonathan’s experience in the defense industry includes working with medium-altitude, long-endurance unmanned aircraft as an instructor, evaluator/check airman, and lead pilot. He also served in the United States Air Force as an Air Mobility pilot on the KC-135 Stratotanker and as a Squadron Commander and Director of Operations for MQ-1 and MQ-9 remotely piloted aircraft. During his tenure in the USAF, he was Chief of Unmanned Intelligence Systems at US Air Forces Central Command. Jonathan holds an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certificate and an FAA Part 107 Remote Pilot Certificate. He earned a B.S. in Physics from The Citadel and an M.S. in Military Operations from Air University.

CONNECT WITH JONATHAN

• LinkedIn: Jonathan Songer

CONNECT WITH US

Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!

If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at podcast@spitfireelite.com, and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!

SPONSOR

Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US.

If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®.

Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.

Aviation isn't just about flying high; it's about the connections that lift you along the way. Join us as we explore the ‘Art of Ascending,’ sharing why authentic relationships are the real fuel for a lasting career. Learn how to approach each interaction with a mindset of giving, not just taking, and watch as your career and personal growth soar to new heights.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE

• Why building authentic relationships is as important as technical skills in aviation

• How to foster long-term professional connections based on trust and mutual respect

• Tips for attending aviation recruiting events and connecting with the right people

• Dangers of treating relationships as transactions and how to avoid them

• The role of mutual respect and shared passion in building a trusted network within the aviation community

CONNECT WITH US

Are you ready to take your preparation to the next level? Don’t wait until it’s too late. Use the promo code “R4P” and save 10% on all our services. Check us out at www.spitfireelite.com!

If you want to recommend someone to guest on the show, email Nik at podcast@spitfireelite.com, and if you need a professional pilot resume, go to www.spitfireelite.com/podcast/ for FREE templates!

SPONSOR

Are you a pilot just coming out of the military and looking for the perfect second home for your family? Look no further! Reach out to Marty and his team by visiting www.tridenthomeloans.com to get the best VA loans available anywhere in the US.

If you’re a professional pilot looking for a great financial planning partner for your retirement, tax, and investment, go to www.tpope.ceterainvestors.com/contact or call ‭704-717-8900 x120‬ to schedule a consultation appointment with Timothy P. Pope, CFP®.

Be ready for takeoff anytime with 3D-stretch, stain-repellent, and wrinkle-free aviation uniforms by Flight Uniforms. Just go to www.flightuniform.com and type the code SPITFIREPOD20 to get a special 20% discount on your first order.